Handloading the 280 AI is straightforward and easy with a wide variety of medium- to slow-burning powders, but this isn’t a handloading-only cartridge these days. Dec 24, 2016 #2 F. F250 … Both were one shot kills with no tracking. As every seasoned elk hunter knows, there’s an ancient fireside tradition in elk camp of debating the best cartridge for taking the large-bodied wapiti. Almost needless to say, the cartridge has never let me down. A .30-06 with a 180-gr. I would expect them to be pretty similar with the 7-08 offering perhaps a bit more versatility in loads for moose. Both are just a tiny bit less powerful than the .280, but not nearly enough that any dead elk would notice. out to 500 yards. We have taken a look at a lot of information on these two cartridges. Given most game (even elk) is shot inside 200 yards, 500 is more than enough for the average hunter. But my local range only goes out to 600. The Ideal Deer (and Occasional Elk) Cartridge. The 7mm-08 Remington is based on the .308 Winchester case necked down to 7mm and was loaded with a 140-grain bullet at 2860 fps. of energy and has proven itself effective with ideal shot placement. LuJon. Take your pick. Sep 28, 2018 #9 LuketheDog Well-known member. Paired with the right bullet, like Nosler’s AccuBond or Hornady’s ELD-X, the .280 AI is an exceptionally accurate, heavy hitter on big game. (You can read more about it in this blog.) Here’s a golden rule to follow for big game hunting: you will want your caliber to generate a minimum of one thousand feet per pounds of force sin order to bring down deer, elk, moose, and bear. The 280 is not a necked down 30-06 it has a completly different neck cut and angle. Thanks to high-BC 6.5mm bullets, the Creedmoor is excellent at bucking wind and delivers minimal drop at serious range. A huge success since its 1962 debut, the 7mm Rem. Or a bow. or the venerable .270 Winchester, if you want perfection, but were aren’t talking mule deer. All the Chris Kyle wannbes out there are giggling at the .280’s 500 yard figure, but I’ll wager they wound or miss far more animals than they kill. My wife has taken elk and whitetails with hers in the Browning X bolt Micro. Available in 130- to 150-grain bullets, the .270 is capable of velocities up to 3200 fps with up to 2,950 ft.-lbs. The 12 Best Cartridges for Elk Hunting. ELD-X 2,850 fps, Copper Creek Cartridge Co. 168-gr. Mag. We can’t wait for this return trip to The Rock, with its breathtaking scenery, great people and, oh yes, superb moose population. 7mm Remington Magnum, 150-grain 3,250 fps, 7mm Weatherby Magnum, 150-grain 3,300 fps. In one sense, the .270 was a long-distance workhorse before long-range shooting was a thing. has a little better selection of ammo, including heavier bullets in factory ammo available. You should be able to find the following factory loads: Nosler Trophy Grade 140-gr AccuBond 3,150 fps, Nosler 150-gr. Campfire Guide. .280 Remington Introduced in 1957 by Remington, the .280 is based on a .30-06 case necked down for a 7mm, or .284, bullet. Capable of sending a 200-grain projectile at almost 3000 fps, the .338 delivers a whopping 3,800 ft.-lbs. Mag. Projectile weights range from 140 to 175 grains, with velocities around 2800 fps with 2,800 ft.-lbs. The rather quick transition from straight cartridge wall to blunt shoulder does suggest potential hang ups on some rifle feed ramps, but I sure haven't experienced this on my Rifles, Inc., which is based on a Remington 700 long action. I'm going to work with a Kimber Subalpine in 280 AI this spring and will pay careful attention to any feeding issues with it, but I'm truly not concerned. For a short action rifle I'd go with the 308Win. The 280Rem. Joined Jun 30, 2017 Messages 115 Location Austin, TX. The Contestants. The first 3-shots I fired through it (150-grain Barnes X pushed to 3,040 fps by 58 grains of Reloader 19 if memory serves, but don’t trust this data and always work up your own loads carefully) nestled a 5/16th-inch circle. In fact, those two cartridges are likely among the Top 10 best selling rifle cartridges in the United States each year. 1_pointer Well-known member. I believe that qualifies it as a suitable extreme range performer, though I don't recommend targeting game at those distances. I really like the 25-06 for deer and antelope. magshooter1 OP. The cartridge was standardized by Nosler and accepted by SAAMI in 2008, and since then the availability of factory ammunition and rifles chambered for the .280 AI have steadily increased. Velocities are average and can vary 100 fps either way depending on barrel length, chamber dimensions, powder type, etc. Mag. After the Great War, cupro-nickel, of 60 percent copper and 40 percent nickel, became the jacket of choice. Rifles, Inc. is still making great, lightweight hunting rifles, but you can now find factory rifles in 280 AI from Kimber, Nosler, Christiansen Arms, Savage, Cooper Firearms, Montana Rifle, and Fierce. Joined: Jul 2011. This will primarily be for Coyotes, Deer, maybe Antelope, Mountain Lion & potentially elk. 280 AI shoots 50 fps to 100 fps faster than the 280 Remington with the same bullets in the same standard-length actions. Any modern, strong bolt-action that can handle a 30-06, 270 Win., 25-06 Rem. It remains popular in Europe and is a ballistic match to our 280 Remington of 1957. I have had good luck with the eldx in general. South Arkansas. Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next > All Reloader Gear. The .270 is a necked down 30-06. 2. .308 and .30-06 probably have the loopiest trajectories of the rounds that you've listed, but are the best choices for elk. I have never hunted elk with the .280, but I surely would, especially with 160 or 165-grain bullets. 1 of 2 Go to page. Reactions: CaliforniaDreaming. .270 and .280 are both good, proven cartridges with flat trajectory and with proper bullets will take an elk. 10. 5. Mag. Get the American Hunter Insider newsletter for at-a-glance access to industry news, gear, gun reviews, videos and more—delivered directly to your Inbox. I was looking for recommendations on a new long range rifle. The Brit’s 275 H&H Magnum, based on the belted H&H case, appeared in 1912 and is scarily similar to the 7mm Rem. so why would I limit myself to the bullet selection of 270? The rifle is so accurate and the round so effective that I have rarely needed more than one shot per animal. of energy, more than enough for downing a big-bodied bull elk. I am leaning to the 7mm-08 given its flat shooting, light recoil as my kids get old enough to hunt they can inherit this. vs. the 7mm-08. The .280 sounds like a winner. The.280 is a 7mm, same diameter as the 7x57M, 7x 61 S&H, 7mm Weatherby, 7mm Rem. Mag., 6.5 PRC, .264 Win. Comparing the .270 with the 7mm Remington magnum is like comparing grits and white cornmeal. Here are a couple of details that you should remember about 7mm-08 Remington and 6.5 Creedmoor. .280 RemingtonIntroduced in 1957 by Remington, the .280 is based on a .30-06 case necked down for a 7mm, or .284, bullet. Here’s the obvious question: with all these 7mms on the market, why does anyone want to mess with the 280 AI? You'll absolutely never see a difference in performance between the 7mm Rem Mag and the .280 Rem on game. What I don't understand is why the 7mm-08 is considered lessor than the 7x57 by people on this forum, when the Hornady LM in 7mm-08 is already at 3000fps, only 110fps slower than a .280. the.284 W is much younger than the.280, but not as young as the "new kid" the 7mm-08. of energy, exceeding 2,000 ft.-lbs. 300fps looks big on paper but a 150 pound deer hit with a good shot will not be able to tell, dead is dead and sending the bullet down range faster won't make that much difference. I think this combo might have more thump than any 7mm-08 load or momentum vs. kinetic energy. Stepping up to 139 or 140grain factory loads: my 20 inch 7mm-08 shoots them around 2750-2800 fps while my 18.5 inch launches them around 2700-2725 fps. 7mm-08 vs .270 11-21-2010, 09:46. brutus51 Member. 270 vs 280 vs 280 AI vs 7mm Rem Mag Ammo Selection While all four are pretty commonly available, the .270 Winchester and the 7mm Remington Magnum are by far the most popular out of the bunch. 8. Jul 21, 2017 #1 A. ATX762 Senior Member. The 30-284 wildcat used the same loading data as the 30-06. The 7mm shoots .284-inch diameter bullets through bores .28-inch across, but only two use this Imperial measuring system in their titles: .280 Remington and .284 Winchester, both excellent but under-rated “standard” velocity cartridges. April 9, 2018. It’s also found a home among the long-range shooting crowd in bolt guns and semi-autos. Mag., 257 Wby . I know the grain of the bullet makes the difference, but I think that question would be better suited for the ammunition and reload forum. So many great cartridges and oh so little time. Mag., 6.5 PRC, .264 Win. RE: 280 vs 7mm-08 Like the others have said the only advantage of the 280 is its ability to handle the heavest 7MM bullets. How much less? My first 280 AI was a 5-pound Rifles, Inc. Strata Stainless built by Lex Webernick. I like the 7mm billet of you can't tell. actually preceded it by 18 years. 280 Remington chambers can be easily converted to. Another glimpse, another 140-grain softpoint, and the elk collapsed. It’s chambered in bolt guns and AR platforms alike, with plenty of viable big-game loads—including monometal and long-range designs—available from Federal, Nosler, Barnes and Hornady. Depending on the propellant, that drops velocity from the shortest factory rifles … The smaller diameter of the 280 Rem. While all four are pretty commonly available, the .270 Winchester and the 7mm Remington Magnum are by far the most popular out of the bunch. We put 3 popular cartridges to a head-to-head-to-head test So I was just curious to know who here hunts with 7mm-08 for elk and deer. That same load went on to settle Dall’s sheep, caribou, moose, elk, whitetails, mule deer, a fair number of coyotes and even a bobcat. The .308 is an efficient round that delivers up to 2800 fps and around 2,700 ft.-lbs. Updated: May 10, 2019. .270 WinchesterThe .270 Winchester is one of the oldest big-game cartridges on this list, first introduced in 1925 for Winchester’s bolt-action Model 54. (Please check you loads and work them up carefully. A century ago, bullets were just getting used to high speed. Joined Dec 20, 2000 Messages 17,709 Mule Deer Cartridge Showdown: .270 Win. #7928015 07/25/13: Joined: Jul 2011. Mag., 7x57mm Mauser or even 7mm-08 Remington, you certainly don't need a 280 Remington. .280 Ackley ImprovedA wildcatter’s dream, the .280 Ackley Improved was developed by P.O. There is a long list of cartridges that spawned from other cartridges that became phenomenal creations. Between the 280Rem. The 12 Best Cartridges for Elk Hunting. A max charge of the same powder will push a 150-grain .308 Partition bullet at 2,802 fps. A year later, a 7mm-08 got me an elk in that same canyon. It must be stressed, though, that the 7mm-08 Rem. Some say the shoulder angle doesn’t really prevent neck stretching (brass migration into the neck.) are the standouts here. Posts: 3,993 . B. Bm22 Private. Gilding metal (90 percent copper, 10 percent zinc) was first thought too soft for the friction generated by 150-grain bullets in .30-06 service ammunition. This plays a significant role in its rising popularity, as we’ll see. Mag. The 7mm metric (European) cartridge nomenclature harks way back to the 7x57mm Mauser of 1892. The author analyzed the 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Remington, 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm Weatherby Magnum, and 28 Nosler for trajectory, effective range, and recoil with modern ballistic software available free online from shooterscalculator.com. Calculations were corrected to standard temperature (59F/15C) and pressure (29.92 inHg/1013 mbar) … Updated: May 10, 2019. Commercial hunting loads for the 7mm-08 have bullets that range up to 160 grains while .308 ammunition tops at about 185 grains, and with bullets from 150 to 160 grains, the 7mm-08 will outperform the .308. The 7mm-08 comes awfully close to duplicating the performance of a .280 Rem. Choose one of these cartridges if you are fed-up with hard kicking rifles. Dec 14, 2013 #1 Hello guys. You can shoot factory 280 Remington loads in the 280 AI chamber to fire-form cases. The bull labored – as did I – through more deadfall. Not trying to make any ground-breaking statements here, but something occurred to me when I was chrono-ing some loads yesterday, which is that my short-action … Also killed a cow elk a couple years ago with factory precision hunter 200gr eldx from a 300 win mag, 362 yard shot and she fell over on the spot. THIS ^^^^ GOOD advice ! Because almost every major rifle manufacturer offers a firearm chambered in .280 Rem., and ammunition is usually easy to find at a local gun store shelf, it’s continued to be one of the more popular elk cartridges in use today. To set the stage for this cartridge description, you should know that it is but one of more than a dozen commercially loaded 7mm cartridges now on the market that fire .284-inch diameter (28-caliber) bullets. Plus someone said something about a 270 Super. Popular in 180- to 220-grain variants, the .300 Win. So what are some of your stories. 150 gr bullets shot out of 270, 280, and 30-06 all have similar recoil. In general, an effective elk round will penetrate through thick shoulder muscle and create a massive wound channel through vital organs without coming apart. Mag. 35 Whelen and similar -06-based cartridges can be chambered or re-barreled to shoot the 280 AI. but this depends on the maker. Tuesday, January 14, 2020. The .308 comes closer to 7mm-08 trajectories with heavier bullets, but at the cost of increased recoil over the 7mm cartridge. As many Alaskan hunters will testify, it’s effective on everything from moose to dangerous game like the grizzly bear. Wondering what gun kicks harder 7mm-08 or a .270, thinking about what gun to get my wife. Which is better? was first chambered for the new Model 700 bolt gun and is another belted magnum based off the .375 H&H case. The belted 7x61mm Sharpe & Hart Super came out in 1953. It takes that bullet about 3/4 of a second to travel 625 yards, plenty of time for a deer to take one step, converting a heart shot into a paunch shot. Join Date: Mar 2007; Posts: 11422; Share Tweet #2. I'm glad someone created the 6mm but it wasn't a necessity to fill a gap. 140 grain .280 Rem - 1897.9 140 grain 7mm-08 - 1504.4 Deer will not notice the difference. This may have been discussed on the Fire before but, my site search was not very helpful. By comparison, my 22" … PX Member. 140 gr. Minuteman. Using Ackley’s figures (also found here) the .308 loaded with a 180-grain spitzer boattail bullet at 2600 feet per second has the minimum amount of energy to kill an elk out to 600 yards, adequate out to 400, and preferred out to 50 yards.With a 165-grain SBT at 2700 fps those figures … But if you're looking for an easy-shooting, all-purpose, middle-of-the-road, standard-length cartridge for hunting darn near anything huntable, you could do worse than the 280 Remington. 7mm-08 vs .260. In terms of energy on target, the .280 Remington is roughly equal to the .30-06, but is capable of housing higher-BC bullets. 7mm-08 is a little less powerful than the .270/.280, as we've discussed. This original 7mm gave rise to the 30-06 and all subsequent cartridges based on it, but it also inspired a lot of other 7mm rounds. By Joseph von Benedikt. Tags: None. Mag. Joined: Apr 7, 2013 Messages: 1,002. Mag. Peak trajectory would be 4.96-inches above point-of-aim at 175 yards. which is not that much harder-hitting than the 7mm/08. The author analyzed the 7x57 Mauser, 7mm-08 Remington, .280 Remington, 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm Weatherby Magnum, and 28 Nosler for trajectory, effective range, and recoil with modern ballistic software available free online from shooterscalculator.com. Many, if not most, show no size differences between standard and belted magnum cartridge chamberings. Like all 7mms, they can fire bullets as light as 100-grains and as heavy as 180-grains. bullet is great moderate-range elk music. And since many of the cartridges on this list were designed to outperform it, there’s no question the .30-06 has left its mark. The result was a cartridge that offered 300 fps more than Remington’s factory SAAMI-spec .280 load, and has since proven itself on large game at considerable distances. I've killed elk with both the .284 Win and the 7mm-08 Rem. 280 AI was standardized by Nosler in 2008 and, SAAMI approved, is now being sold as factory loaded ammunition. So if you’re still trying to decide your own choice between the 6.5 Creedmoor vs. 7mm 08 Remington, then we’ll leave it up to your own preference. Just my opinion and I've never shot an elk with a Berger or AMax but how they work isn't my cup of whiskey. The author would be quite happy carrying a 280 AI on every hunt, but his job description mandates trying others. By David E. Petzal. The .280 used to be called the 7mm express but was slow to be excepted, but the ballistics are far better from the .280 vs the .308, and as far as an Elk gun the .280 … It’s hard to find an elk camp that doesn’t feature at least one rifle in .270, which is largely the result of the praise it received for so many years from gun writer Jack O’Connor. In this case 270 vs 280, I have no idea why the 280 was created. Can I fire that in a regular 270 chamber? Thread Status: Not open for further replies. Joined Feb 25, 2019 Messages 17 Location Colorado . .308 WinchesterSpeaking of military cartridges that made a perfect big-game round, the .308 Winchester was introduced in 1952 and was adopted for use in the armed forces as the 7.62x51mm. I am leaning to the 7mm-08 given its flat shooting, light recoil as my kids get old enough to hunt they can inherit this. Berger VLD Hunting 2,950 fps, CCCC 140-gr. 3. Next Last. Suddenly, a sliver of rib came clear. .338 Winchester MagnumDeveloped by Winchester in 1958, the .338 Win. A 7mm-08 load with a maximum charge of IMR 4895 powder will push a 150-grain Partition bullet at 2,750 fps from the muzzle, according to Nosler’s Reloading Guide 8. I plan on seeing which one my rifle shoots best. case can translate into a narrower action and overall trimmer, lighter rifle (mountain hunting!) is based on a blown out and shortened .375 H&H case, with bullets ranging from 200 to 275 grains. The 7mm-08 Remington is a rifle cartridge that is almost a direct copy of a ... the cartridge is usable on elk, black bears and hogs. Also, the biggest bull that I ever mounted as a professional taxidermist for 25 years was killed with a drop dead heart shot by a 16 year old who was using a .243 with a partition bullet. Richard Mann tries to defend his beloved 308 Winchester against the ballistically superior 7mm-08 Remington championed by Ron Spomer. That bullet should retain 1,500 f-p energy at 600 yards and remain super sonic at 1,600 yards. My first 280 AI was a 5-pound Rifles, Inc. Strata Stainless built by Lex Webernick. If you’re a Western dude who routinely shoots across canyons, I might sub the 7mm-08 Rem. Thread starter Wapiti426; Start date Jul 22, 2019; 1; 2; Next. Bolt Action Rifles. By Gary Zinn. The .308 Marlin and .300 Savage would be good choices for anyone sensitive to recoil and the 7mm-08, 7x57, 6.5x55 and .260 Rem. Still, I’ve killed elk with pretty ordinary bullets from the .30-30 and .32 Special, the 6.5×55 and 6.5 Creedmoor, the .260 and 7mm-08. The 7mm-08 was derived from necking down the .308 Win cartridge which allowed it to accept the … Combined with a quality bullet design, it’s more than capable of vaporizing an elk’s vitals. Popular in rifles like Kimber’s Montana, the .280 AI has become a favorite among sheep and goat hunters and is equally well-utilized in dark timber elk country. and the 7mm-08 I'd pick the 280. And I had a 16.5" 7-08 that launched them at around 2650-2675. Mag., 257 Wby. … Roy Weatherby’s proprietary 7mm Wby. 7. While assessing different cartridges, you could have a general idea about their characteristics if you carefully research their development history. A 280 AI can safely fire 280 Remington ammunition, simultaneously fire-forming brass cases to reloadable 280 AI dimensions. by Eric Conn - This time, since I’ve already taken a Newfoundland moose, it’s Paula’s turn. The 280 AI is quietly but steadily gaining converts. 11-21-2010, 09:54. But if you're looking for an easy-shooting, all-purpose, middle-of-the-road, standard-length cartridge for hunting darn near anything huntable, you could do worse than the 280 Remington. vs. .300 Win. Cow elk was at 240 took one in the chest and fell down in second. When looking at the 7mm-08 vs .270, we are looking at two rounds that can be used for a lot of the same applications including hunting as well as long-range shooting. Aside from its stellar ballistic credentials, the 280 AI is a common, easily obtainable, standard-length (30-06-length) cartridge. of energy. Some may say that the pair have both seen better days, with the 7mm Remington Magnum, 7mm-08 Remington,.280 Ackley Improved and 28 Nosler seeming more attractive to new hunters and shooters. I hope to take this rifle out to 1,000 yards. I've killed (dropped in his tracks) elk out to 340 yards with a .280 Rem. A better choice for elk hunting than Remington’s big 7mm is tough to find. Published 7mm-08 Remington velocity data from ammo manufacturers and most reloading sources are from 24-inch test barrels, which, coincidentally, were the tubes common in silhouette competition. 7mm-08 RemingtonSometime in 1958, a certain 7mm/308 Winchester wildcat round was developed and as the name suggests, people made it simply by necking down a standar… Not a lot, but... 280 AI, 150-grain bullet, 3,100 fps: 26.86 f-p recoil energy, 15.7 fps recoil velocity. According to the above paragraph from Mule Deer (who I have great respect for) by handloading a 7x57 you might achieve a MV of 2950, or 120 fps faster than a Hornady LM 7x57. Despite the above redundant confusion of cartridges shooting .284-inch bullets, that list is not complete. In fact, those two cartridges are likely among the Top 10 best selling rifle cartridges in … (You can, Rifles, Inc. is still making great, lightweight hunting rifles, but you can now find factory rifles in 280 AI from. I have both because I could not decide wich ONE would be better Really though my 7MM-08 is a Savage Scout rifle with a 20 inch barrel while my 280 has a 26 inch barrel. For that reason, the 25-06 vs 6.5 Cree… ... between the load I'm using (140 Partition, 47.5 gr Big Game, 2870 fps) and the load I'm considering in my new 7mm-08 (150 ELDX, 41 gr Varget, 2725 fps). 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The 7mm-08 is better than, the .308 but, I'd … Several more 7mms have popped up in recent years including the super magnum 7mm STW, 7mm RUM, and 28 Nosler. For lighter bullets there will be about a 100 fps difference in velocity, and not much change in impact at normal hunting ranges. Again, a better selection of ammo for the 308. Mag., 7x57mm Mauser or even 7mm-08 Remington, you certainly don't need a 280 Remington. I want a good rifle, an all arounder if you will. weight, the sectional density is much better, giving better arodynamics in flight and better penitration. Responsible Conservation > Political Allocation. Mag. .30-06 SpringfieldOriginally a U.S. military cartridge introduced in 1906 and used well into the 1970s, the mighty .30-06 Springfield followed many servicemen home from the battlefield to the backcountry. Any good gunsmith should be able to handle this. There isn't much difference between them in velocity past 175 yards, and the 150 catches up at 350. Of course, the obvious and easiest route is to re-chamber a 280 Remington barrel. It produces less recoil than other popular .30-caliber rounds and is lethal on moose, elk and bear. For elk-hunting purposes and with the right optics and rifle, the .270 is easily effective out to 500 yards. At 140 grains, the 6.5 has an S.D. The .280 is totally fine as an elk round. for a faster .280 Ackley Improved, 7mm Rem. More The Gun Nuts. Ackley from Fred Huntington’s .280 RCBS Improved by adding a 40-degree shoulder in the late 1950s. Mag., 150-grain bullet, 3,248 fps: 29.16 f-p recoil energy, 16.37 fps recoil velocity. Next Last. Feb 21, 2013 32 0. of energy. While lots of hunters have readily adopted the 6.5 Creedmoor for hunting a wide variety of game, many other hunters remain skeptical of the suitability of the new cartridge for big game animals, particularly when its compared to the time tested .25-06 Remington and .270 Winchester cartridges. 105 Posts #73 • Feb 9, 2008. mwlu711 said: the 280 rem only beats the 7mm-08 by about 90 fps and the 7mm mag only beats the 280 by about 100 fps with 160 grain bullets. magshooter1. 7. 7mm-08 Remington, 30-06 Springfield and .300 Winchester Magnum (l to r).308 Winchester for Elk. The 7mm produces moderate recoil for a magnum cartridge, but exceeds the .30-06 ballistically. figure of 0.287, and the 7mm an S.D. But I'm also thinking the .270 because of a past entanglement with it. Hi Everyone, I have a 7mm Rem Mag and am between the 140g or 160g Nosler Trophy Grade-Accubond ammunition. 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