But the .338 Win. While the .338 Winchester Magnum is the most popular .33 caliber big game rifle in these parts by far, the .338 Federal uses the same bullets, just at a slightly lower velocity. Savage and Heym (Models SR21, SR 30)[4] offer bolt action rifles. But expansion positively stops at the internal jacket partition, which retains the rear core for deep penetration. A 7.5 lb. 2) The .338 Federal: Being a high pressure round, this cartridge is suitable for the Encore only. Mag. Federal’s 200-grain Fusion loading is an excellent all-purpose load. At the muzzle, a 210 in the .338 Federal clocks the same as a 250-grain bullet from the Magnum and strikes within a vertical inch of it at 300 yards. Remember, the 7mm-08 doesn't offer anything over the 7x57 or .280 Rem, but it … Here is the downrange velocity/energy (in fps and ft. Note: Articles covering the .338 Federal in detail as well as comparing it to other cartridges can be found on the Rifle Cartridge Page. Two of the three are Model 70's, one has a 20" barrel and the other has a 24" barrel and they both have Bell and Carlson stocks. With a 180-grain bullet, the new round shoots as flat as the .338 Magnum with a 210 Partition. But not everyone wants or needs magnum performance. But the .338 Win. This would be primarily intended for hunting deer, feral hogs, black bear and similar size game in wooded or brushy country. While the .338 Federal cannot hope to equal the Magnum's authority, it qualifies as an understudy. Mag.". Mag. load in the same weight rifle will come back with 24.3 foot-pounds at 13.2 fps. The RCM's ballistics are impressive, but they come at a price. When it becomes available it will probably be the most popular of the Federal factory loads. in a rifle of similar weight. The .338 Federal—like most of our great short-action standards—is based on the .308 Winchester case. It's really hard to judge the muzzle blast from a shooter's perspective unless you're shooting at night. The .338/210 Partition is entirely adequate for both CXP2 and CXP3 game. We sell ammunition by the box and bulk ammo in case quantities. It was created by Federal Cartridge and Sako in 2006 and intended as a big game cartridge with reasonable recoil for lightweight rifles.[3]. Fusion Rifle 338 Federal Important Safety Information WARNING: Discharging firearms in poorly ventilated areas, cleaning firearms, or handling ammunition may result in exposure to lead and other substances known to the State of California to cause birth … H In the table below is a comparison between the .338 Federal and the older .358 Winchester, another cartridge based on the .308 Winchester. About the same as a 30-06. rifles are typically about a pound heavier than .338 Federal rifles, and recoil from the magnum is, on average, 50 percent greater. I hope to be using this rifles for hunting purposes in North America assuming times permits. Recoil is the problem that has plagued medium bore rifles since the invention of smokeless powder. I estimate that fifteen foot pounds of free recoil energy and 10 fps of recoil velocity represent the approximate upper limit of the comfort level. The .338 Federal cartridge doesn’t offer .338 Lapua Magnum power and that’s the point of it. In rifles weighing 9-pounds, the 225-grain 338 Win. This is supposed to drive a 200 grain bullet at a MV of 2725 fps. Do not forget that rifle weight is a crucial factor in the recoil equation, inversely proportional to recoil. If I were reloading the .338 Federal, probably the first thing I would do is to develop a reduced power handload that duplicates the ballistics suggested by Jack O'Connor many years ago. its not for long range shoots. But there is potential danger in that course. Mag. My brother has a few 308 winchester in DPMS. load in the same weight rifle will come back with 24.3 foot-pounds at 13.2 fps. The little Federal achieves this with considerably less powder, too, and that means less recoil. I see this as Federal's .338 deer load. Such a load would also offer less recoil and be noticeably more fun to shoot. This one’s my hands-down favorite of all the .338 rounds. Mechanicaly with a recoil reducing device; Mag-Na-Port or muzzle break. And its partitioned lead core allows the front section of the bullet to expand much like that of a typical soft point bullet, creating a wound cavity of considerable diameter. ST, 900 Ehlen Dr., Anoka, MN 55303; 800-322-2342; www.federalcartridge.com ) points out that the new .338 Federal cartridge has increased velocity over the .308 cartridge and heavier bullet weights. My brother Eric shooting a deer one handed recording at the same time. I always thought 338 Federal was a good cartridge in that tween area, a … Source(s): Cartridges of the World 1 The .338 Federal is a rifle cartridge based on the .308 Winchester case necked up to .33 caliber. The .338 Federal cartridge consists of a .308 Win. That I know of, Montana Rifle is the only company turning them out, and perhaps Nosler. That is also essential for the long term success of the cartridge. O'Connor's proposal was for a medium bore brush/woods cartridge of moderate recoil that would appeal to the average deer (and possibly elk) hunter. Here are their published ballistic coefficients (BC) and sectional densities (SD): The 180/.338 Nosler AccuBond is a boat-tail, plastic tipped bullet with a lead core bonded to a gilding metal (copper alloy) jacket. The fundamental specifications and dimensions of the .308 case remain the same, meaning the .338 Federal brass can easily be formed from .308 Winchester brass. I own 45-70, 338-06 and 35 Whelen. This is one of the best known and most successful premium hunting bullets of all time. Here are the OGW figures for the Premium .338 Federal factory loads: According to the OGW formula, shooting the 210 grain Nosler bullet the .338 Federal is a 200 yard grizzly/brown bear load and a 300 yard Rocky Mountain elk load. load will recoil with about 30.2 foot-pounds of free recoil energy at a velocity of 14.7 fps. Mag. The .338 Federal will still produce less than say 20 lbs. The .338 Fed gives these folks a chance to shoot .338 cal bullets at a more modest velocity that is deadly on all hooved game out to 300 yards or a bit more, but with the recoil of a .30-06. It does enough to have the same effect at closer ranges without the recoil of the longer-range magnum. 338 Federal RIFLE AMMO 338 Federal RIFLE Ammunition for Sale. The real forte of the .338 Federal is its ability to shoot 210-grain slugs at a respectable velocity without anywhere near the recoil of bigger .33 cartridges. As we have seen, this would still deliver plenty of power for all CXP2 game while generating considerably less recoil than the Premium factory loads. In this caliber and weight the AccuBond is primarily intended for CXP2 game. Shooting 200 grain fusions hunting in central Pa for deer and black bear. Features & Benefits: Short-action 338 Federal chambering; Higher muzzle velocity than the 308 Win. range, recoil figures for the .338 RCM are north of 30 ft.-lbs. Mag. Federal's offering is based on a .308 Winchester case necked-up to accept standard .338" diameter bullets. The .338 Federal has the same powder capacity and a heavier bullet. And this is the reduced recoil .338 Federal woods load! of recoil. lbs. I have a Longshot Rifles custom 7mmWSM I shoot F-Class with but it is too heavy to hunt with. While the .338 Winchester Magnum is the most popular .33 caliber big game rifle in these parts by far, the .338 Federal uses the same bullets, just at a slightly lower velocity. 338 Win Mag VS 120lb boar.wmv - Duration: 0:49. case necked up to accept .338-cal. The small hollow point in the streamlined nose of the bullet initiates expansion, which is accomplished by folding back the nose of the bullet in four copper "petals." 338 federal is a short range hunting round meant for hitting game with a large 338 bullet but with out the recoil of most 338 calibers. Taking it to Colorado on Elk in … This efficient short-action cartridge flattens game like the hammer of Thor without kicking you in the shoulder like a stubborn mule. This means that 338 caliber bullets are designed with magnum speeds in mind. This cartridge can produce both excellent and rather abysmal results depending upon how it … As regular readers of Guns and Shooting Online know, for some time now I have been promoting a .338 wildcat cartridge based on the 7x57 Mauser case first proposed by Jack O'Connor. I fleshed-out Mr. O'Connor's proposal in my first article on the subject, "New Woods Cartridge: The .338x57 O'Connor." in a rifle of similar weight. The round delivers devastating performance on game, including deer, bear and elk and we're proud to put our name on it.". I want to get a new Semi-Auto Rifle in the AR-10 platform. All of the ammunition listed on our website is in stock and ready to ship from our warehouse in High Point, NC. Let's take a closer look at the three Federal Premium factory loads, starting with the bullets. In its product information sheet, Federal Cartridge Co. (Dept. Powering Your Pursuit. Federal 338 Winchester Magnum 225 Grain Nosler AccuBond. Mag. In a lightweight rifle, the recoil will be considerably greater, and probably quite unpleasant to the vast majority of shooters. The price to be paid for higher performance is, of course, increased recoil. The .338 Federal was created by the engineering and ballistics staff at Federal in collaboration with Sako rifles. Despite all of the discussion about long range shooting and long range rifles, the reality is that most deer are killed at less than 100 yards in North America. Roses are red, my locktite is blue, without any ammo, what am I to do? There are a variety of good .338 bullets available, and I am sure that soon reloading data will be available from all of the usual sources. The .338 Federal—like most of our great short-action standards—is based on the .308 Winchester case. lbs.) The 338 Federal hiccups just 24.2 foot pounds. Here are the downrange velocity/energy figures for such a load using the 200 grain Speer Hot-Cor spitzer bullet (BC .448, SD .254) at a MV of 2425 fps (ME 2611 ft. . I bought a Ruger Hawkeye about two years ago in 338 Federal. Mag. It is now up to us hunters to show our appreciation by purchasing .338 Federal rifles and ammunition. I find the cartridge really interesting, as a recoil sensitive shooter who is building a rifle battery and I think it would be fun to build it out of all 308 rifles: a 243 in Model 70 Featherweight Compact, a 7mm-08 Tikka T3 Lite SS, and a 308 and 338 federal in as-yet-undetermined rifles. The .338 Win. This will make for better advertising copy, which we are already seeing: "200 feet per second more velocity than a standard .308," and "provides the energy of a 7mm Rem. Its heavy recoil hurt its score in this test. The .338 Federal does not. There's something about 338 federal that bugs me. The fact it has the same large game range as the less powerful .308 surprised the author and belies the .338 Federal’s reputation as just a brush cartridge. Chuck Hawks reviewed the .338 Federal in, This page was last edited on 5 August 2020, at 01:19. Which one of these popular rounds will be named the best all-around black bear hunting cartridge For deer and black bear it is limited by its trajectory, not its killing power. The cartridge is simply the .308 Winchester necked up to hold .338-inch bullets, and will fit perfectly in a short-action receiver. Taking it to Colorado on Elk in … Please compare the recoil to other calibers. For this purpose I'd want a 200 grain bullet at a MV of approximately 2425 fps (+/- 25 fps). Sako 85 Gray Wolf in 338 Federal. Battle of the Black Bear Cartridges: .308 Win. Increase gun weight (lead sleds are good on the bench but kind of heavy to carry through the woods). Recoil is similar to 30-06 with much more knock down power. I estimate that fifteen foot pounds of free recoil energy and 10 fps of recoil velocity represent the approximate upper limit of the comfort level. range, recoil figures for the .338 RCM are north of 30 ft.-lbs. Mag. We have asked for such a cartridge for many years, and now Federal has provided it. The Federal case has a water capacity of 44.5 grains of water. load will recoil with about 30.2 foot-pounds of free recoil energy at a velocity of 14.7 fps. 338 FEDERAL VS 8.6 Creedmoor ROUND 2, Grandma loves this gun! On the flip side, the .338 Federal produces just 23.9 foot-pounds of recoil, compared to a shoulder-smashing 36.1 for the Win. (It should be remembered that O'Connor proposed his .338 well before the invention of the .308 cartridge.) rifle. It is my hope that the new .338 Federal can escape the same fate. It opens reliably against light resistance, creating a wide wound channel. Decrease the bullet weight/velocity. Felt recoil will vary from shooter to shooter and rifle to rifle, but free recoil energy is still a useful way to compare cartridges. The .338 Federal is a rifle cartridge based on the .308 Winchester case necked up to .33 caliber. Federal took their new .338 in a different direction than the .338x57 O'Connor, choosing to maximize performance rather than control recoil. 338 recoil We have three 338 WM's and they are not bad to shoot. Comparison. The .338 Federal is the .308 Winchester case necked up to .338. In rifles weighing 9-pounds, the 225-grain 338 Win. Federal stated that this was a non-magnum cartridge boasting magnum energy, a big game caliber offering tolerable recoil in lightweight rifles. The .338 Federal is a powerful cartridge, but it is overshadowed by the short-action magnums, and has yet to prove it is here to stay. No chance at a bear last year but devasting on a whitetail at about 120 yards. Its bonded core eliminates core/jacket separation, thus retaining more weight for deeper penetration than a similar Nosler Ballistic Tip bullet. Certainly anyone can shoot more accurately with a rifle that kicks less. The 338 Federal hiccups just 24.2 foot pounds. 2 n 3/4" shells produces 17.3 lbs. On the flip side, the .338 Federal produces just 23.9 foot-pounds of recoil, compared to a shoulder-smashing 36.1 for the Win. Mag. From the outside it looks much like a typical jacketed soft point bullet. The real forte of the .338 Federal is its ability to shoot 210-grain slugs at a respectable velocity without anywhere near the recoil of bigger .33 cartridges. Gripe on 338 Federal - it never achieved much of a following, so the pickings are kind of slim; but no worse than 35W. is the maximum amount of recoil energy that the average shooter can tolerate. .338 Federal The .338 Federal combines sensible, low recoil with plenty of reach. And then there's the cost factor. Someone at Federal Cartridge Company apparently had a similar idea for a new non-magnum .338 cartridge, but based on the slightly shorter .308 Winchester case. 12 gauge shooting 1 oz. The 338 Federal is the best deer and elk cartridge you’ve probably never fired or maybe never heard of. My wifes 338 … As for recoil to get the velocities they are quoting for the 338 Federal it has got to be loaded to a higher pressure than the 358 Winchester. That plus pushing a higher powder charge down a smaller bore. Increase the gun weight by, say, 25% and the recoil goes down by 25%. Mag. I'm in the market for a Sako 85 Hunter with great wood. While the .338 Federal generates recoil levels in the 20 to 25 ft.-lbs. Battle of the Black Bear Cartridges: .308 Win. On the flip side, the .338 Federal produces just 23.9 foot-pounds of recoil, compared to 36.1 for the Win. Mag. I would like to see Federal offer, in addition to their Premium loads, a lower priced Power-Shok load that essentially duplicates the ballistics proposed above. OUT OF STOCK (1) Federal F338FS1 Fusion 20RD 225gr 338 Winchester Magnum. I bought a Ruger Hawkeye about two years ago in 338 Federal. Released in 2006 as a joint venture between Federal and Sako, the .338 Federal may be one of the wisest choices that the big-game hunter who likes a lightweight, sweet-shooting short-action rifle could make. And a brush bucking .338 cartridge is superior for woods and brush country deer hunting to a high velocity small bore. The .338 Federal is the first rifle cartridge to bear the Federal name on its headstamp, so it is an important step for the Company. The 180-grain 300 Win. Federal’s 200-grain Fusion loading is an excellent all-purpose load. Just buy a 338 federal or 30-06. The 180-grain 300 Win. ): Here are the trajectory figures for that load: What we have is a 200 yard elk cartridge and a 300 yard caribou cartridge in terms of optimum game weight killing power. case necked up to accept .338-cal. While the .338 Federal generates recoil levels in the 20 to 25 ft.-lbs. All rights reserved. 's impressive ballistics come at a price. Mag. I believe that OGW has a higher correlation with reality than most other killing power formulas. In the real world, firearms chambered for less powerful cartridges are typically built lighter than firearms chambered for more powerful cartridges. The only ones I can find are in .338 Federal. I always thought 338 Federal was a good cartridge in that tween area, a … In same-weight rifles of about 7 pounds, a 338 Win. Here are some estimated recoil energy (in ft. of recoil. The .338 Win. I hope to be using this rifles for hunting purposes in North America assuming times permits. 2. 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